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Student 1: Fred, what is the standard for lightning protection systems? The book touches this topic briefly. Is it the norm to have lightning protection? Do you install lightning protection on systems you install? There are many homes in my area in New Jersey that don’t have any lightning protection systems. Actually, I can’t see any lightning rods on any of them. Could it be just the area you live in? The system I will be installing will be on the roof of a two story building located on the Cumberland plateau in Eastern Tennessee. The elevation is about 2,000ft high. If lightning strikes the grounded PV modules I’m sure it will have some type of damage. So is a lightning protection system a system you install just to play it safe?
Fred: Hello, Student 1. Yes, we install both DC and AC surge protection on every project. Typically, such protection is at or near the inverter.
Student 1: Thanks for your reply Fred. I too have AC surge protection for all my circuits. But what about lightning rods on roof tops? I have very little experience with lightning rods. I see what lightning does to trees and houses that are struck. I don’t want that type of damage to PV modules. Will lightning rods on your structure attract lightning? Are you better off not having lightning rods?
Fred: Just happens that I know a bit about this issue since I once worked for a Surge Suppression manufacturer.
Beyond the typical surge protection under your desk, there are two additional categories including “whole-building” protection. We studied and applied these applications in the lightning capital of the U.S., Florida.
We would only deploy lightning rods if we have a good direct pathway to ground, along with MOV based surge suppression. Without a way to mitigate incoming surges and transients, you may not want to use rods.
When we speak of surge protection, there are three categories (ABC) A is the strip under your desk, B is for branch circuits within the building, and C is building protection at the main-panel.
Google this company: “MCG Surge Protection”, I am sure you will find world class technology and support.
For our solar installs we use both AC and DC Midnight Solar devices. Typically to save the inverter. We don’t get hit like Florida, so I am not as concerned about installing all 3 categories here in Massachusetts.
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Student 2: Quick question that may sound silly but, why does it matter if you use AC or DC to power your loads? I see the difference visually with the oscillations of AC and DC’s linear state but why is 110v AC the standard? And why does Europe and the rest of the world use the 220v standard which have physically different receptacles? They don’t even hold the plug safely so I’m curious who decides these things…
Fred: Student 2, thoughtful questions – here are a couple of points:
- Alternating Current won the DC/AC wars because you can use an AC transformer to significantly increase the voltage while you simultaneously lower the amps. When you lower the amps you can lower the diameter of the cable and the cost of interstate utility lines drop significantly. Whew
- Today, if AC is available that is the way to go. Yes, you can get a DC refrigerator – they do not look like a 2015 – 18 cubic feet Amana, but we see them in off-grid homes. The rational behind using DC appliances off-grid is that the efficiency is better without having the inverter loss.
- The world is AC and all is good. AC is safer, in that – however small – there is an instant when the sine-wave crosses zero. Thus the staccato pulses you feel as you get a bad shock. Bad shocks with DC kill you faster – DC does not cross zero – it does not let go.
- If the world did go DC, we would have local electric companies in every town. It would be too expensive to send power to another town.
As far as why the plugs are different around the world, I think is the same reason our trains will not fit on their tracks.
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Lightning not lighting.
Thanks for catching that!
I would like to add some comments about the AC/DC power discussion.
It is true that AC won the power distribution war – for intermediate distances, higher voltage and lower amperage gives lower distribution losses. Higher voltage is more dangerous for electrocuting people though. For long distance, nowadays, very high voltage DC is often used because it does not have the losses associated with continually reversing the current.
Nowadays most home appliances and lighting can/should use DC power and because historically electricity is distributed as AC most of home equipment currently incorporates AC/DC transformers. For example, LED lighting and LCD TVs just use DC, and most appliances/lights now incorporate transformers. Anything with motors could use DC – just change the motors.
Using DC within homes has several inherent advantages, and 30VDC is becoming the standard:
* 30VDC is inherently safe – if you touch live cables you will get a tingle, but it will not kill you. By contrast 110VAC (or even worse 220VAC) can and will kill you if the circuit breakers do not work.
* 30VDC only needs 2 wires (+ve and -ve), whereas AC adds a third neutral wire. Two wires are significantly cheaper than 1 (note that at 30VDC the cable thickness is comparable to that needed for 100VAC when the load is less than about 20amps).
* if you have photovoltaics/batteries as your power source the DC->AC (from the power source to AC distribution) and AC->DC (from AC distribution to DC power use) power conversions cause significant losses (around 10%). All these transformers are also a waste of resources.
I believe that the long term trend will be to use 30VDC within homes, and to use 300VDC distribution between floors in bigger buildings, with 30VDC within each floor. AC will be made using transformers just where they are needed. Many new datacenters are already using this kind of power distribution system, for example.
We want to use lightnig protection, but we’ve also found out that our preferred inverters (SMA Sunnyboy TL’s) will not honor their warranty if we use ANY type of lightning protection. Anyone know why this is?